Germain Racing's Hillman comments following NHMS melee: "Tempers flared after the race. In 13 laps Germain Racing lost two race trucks to the same competitor. The result was a rough situation and I want to apologize on behalf of myself and our race team to the NASCAR officials and NASCAR staff that were stuck in the middle. I also want to extend an apology to Ron Hornaday, Rick Ren and the folks at KHI as well as the race fans. Ron had a terrific race and a well-earned victory and what happened on pit road shouldn't take away from the great performance put on by the 33 team," said [Mike] Hillman Jr. of the post-race altercation between Germain Racing and another team on pit road.(Germain Racing PR)(9-15-2008)

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Claire B. Lang - New Hampshire Motor Speedway
Sunday, Sept. 14, 2008
There are a set of unwritten rules in NASCAR - amongst the drivers and the crew members and one of them, I think, played out on Saturday after the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series race as team members from two teams fought. David Starr was confronted inside his car on the grid after the race by a crew member from another team. Anyone who knows me knows how much I respect the NASCAR crew members and how much I work to tell their story as well as that of the drivers. However, I can see why Starr drew his fist and used it.

My understanding has always been that the cockpit of a guy’s race machine, car or truck, is his sanctuary and it’s his area. For another driver to come up and pull him out would be setting up for a fight - and I think all drivers would agree to that. For a crew member from another team to go to a driver’s vehicle and grab or confront him- is beyond an unwritten rule - it’s fighting time. In an argument about racing - the crew member and driver are not on the same level. It’s driver to driver and even then there are set areas of acceptable confrontation. David Starr immediately drew his fist - and used it after he was pulled from his truck angered that a crew member would pull him out of his vehicle. In the NASCAR Sprint cup garage today I talked with crew members and drivers about the unwritten rule and the above is how they saw it exactly.

Members of several teams said that they are not even to confront another driver - or ask him why he did something verbally and that the level of pulling another driver out of his vehicle would definitely result in them being fired. The team haulers of the 48 and the 18 teams are parked next to each other in the garage here. The team guys said to me that they get along really well and that if their drivers got in a fight they would not think it was their place to get involved in it…unless a driver came to their pit area- and then that is their turf. What happened violated an unwritten rule. You fight for your team - you’d do anything for your team - but a crew member does not confront a driver. It’s just not how it’s done because the argument was between two drivers. That, despite the fact that the team guys build the cars and trucks and have a lot invested themselves. So, there will be much said about this. I likened it to someone coming up to a guy in a bar and flicking his cowboy hat or baseball cap off. There’s something about that that every guy knows is so over the line that it is violating a “guy” unwritten rule.In this case the crew member violated a driver unwritten rule. He went over the line - and Starr reacted. So, does star get punished for the punch? Does the crew member get fired? “When a crew member comes to a driver and wants to fight…man that driver needs to kick the tar out of him,” Joe Nemechek told me after the drivers’ meeting. “That’s wrong, that’s the worst thing that can ever happen.”Nemechek said that additionally, “In my opinion that crew member should be fired from his team and banned from NASCAR.”

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other incidents where crew members had taken shots at drivers... was it last year or two yrs ago when kevin and delana harvick were nearly hit by a tool box/crash cart after a race... the cart was being pushed by ticked off crew members... not much was done there .. if I remember right..

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Three teams penalized for New Hampshire incident: NASCAR announced the #30, #11 and #9 teams that compete in the Craftsman Truck Series have been penalized due to their involvement in a post-race altercation on pit road at New Hampshire Motor Speedway, Sept. 13. Those penalized violated Sections 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing) and 12-4-F (team members involved in an altercation with another competitor on pit road after the race had concluded). Three crew members have been suspended from the next Craftsman Truck Series event and suspended from NASCAR until Sept. 24, including Mike Hillman Jr., crew chief for the #30 truck driven by Todd Bodine; Mark Hillman, crew member for the #30; and William Divel, crew member for the #11 truck driven by David Starr. Mike Hillman Jr. has also been fined $2,500 and had his NASCAR probation extended through Dec. 31. Both Mark Hillman and Divel have been fined $1,500 and placed on probation until Dec. 31. Starr also has been fined $10,000 and placed on probation until Dec. 31. Richard Gay, crew chief for the #11 truck and Jason Overstreet, crew chief for the #9 truck driven by David Reutimann, have both been fined $1,000 and placed on probation until Dec. 31. Additionally, two crew members – Brandon Hopkins for the #30 truck and Tony Jilson for the #9 truck – have been placed on probation until Dec. 31. All three owners – Steve Germain of the #30; Tom DeLoach of the #11 and Bob Germain of the #9 – have had each of their respective teams placed on probation until Dec. 31.(NASCAR PR)(9-17-2008)

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Penalties handed down for altercation after Truck race
NASCAR suspends three crew members until Sept. 24
By Official Release
September 17, 2008
03:04 PM EDT


DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- NASCAR announced Wednesday the No. 30, No. 11 and No. 9 teams that compete in the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series have been penalized due to their involvement in a post-race altercation on pit road at New Hampshire Motor Speedway following Saturday's race.

Those penalized violated Sections 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock-car racing) and 12-4-F (team members involved in an altercation with another competitor on pit road after the race had concluded).

Three crew members have been suspended from the next Craftsman Truck Series event and suspended from NASCAR until Sept. 24, including:

• Mike Hillman Jr., crew chief for the No. 30 truck driven by Todd Bodine

• Mark Hillman, crew member for the No. 30

• William Divel, crew member for the No. 11 truck driven by David Starr

Mike Hillman Jr. has also been fined $2,500 and had his NASCAR probation extended through Dec. 31. Both Mark Hillman and Divel have been fined $1,500 and placed on probation until Dec. 31.

Starr also has been fined $10,000 and placed on probation until Dec. 31.

Richard Gay, crew chief for the No. 11 truck, and Jason Overstreet, crew chief for the No. 9 truck driven by David Reutimann, have both been fined $1,000 and placed on probation until Dec. 31. Additionally, two crew members -- Brandon Hopkins for the No. 30 truck and Tony Jilson for the No. 9 truck -- have been placed on probation until Dec. 31.

All three owners -- Steve Germain of the No. 30, Tom DeLoach of the No. 11 and Bob Germain of the No. 9 -- have had each of their respective teams placed on probation until Dec. 31.


Penalties
No. 30 crew chief Mike Hillman Jr. Suspension until Sept. 24
Fined $2,500
Probation until Dec. 31
No. 30 crew member Mark Hillman Suspension until Sept. 24
Fined $1,500
Probation until Dec. 31
No. 30 crew member Brandon Hopkins Probation until Dec. 31
No. 30 owner Steve Germain Team probation until Dec. 31
No. 11 crew member William Divel Suspension until Sept. 24
Fined $1,500
Probation until Dec. 31
No. 11 driver David Starr Fined $10,000
No. 11 crew chief Richard Gay Fined $1,000
Probation until Dec. 31
No. 11 owner Tom DeLoach Team probation until Dec. 31
No. 9 crew chief Jason Overstreet Fined $1,000
Probation until Dec. 31
No. 9 crew member Tony Jilson Probation until Dec. 31
No. 9 owner Bob Germain Team probation until Dec. 31

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A whole bunch of wrist slappin

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