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Old 04-27-2008, 09:15 PM
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Congratulations Juan!

For your 2nd place finish at Talladeaga Aaron's 499!

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Old 04-27-2008, 09:45 PM
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They said Montoya couldn't drive a Stock Car - lol!

Congratulations Juan!

Talladega Results
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FIN ST CAR DRIVER MAKE SPONSOR PTS/BNS LAPS STATUS
1 5 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's Most Colorful Fan 190/5 188 Running
2 26 42 Juan Montoya Dodge Wrigley's Juicy Fruit 175/5 188 Running
3 7 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Freight 170/5 188 Running
4 6 6 David Ragan Ford AAA Travel 160/0 188 Running
5 8 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 160/5 188 Running
6 14 28 Travis Kvapil Ford Northern Tool + Equipment 150/0 188 Running
7 36 5 Casey Mears Chevrolet CARQUEST / Kellogg's 146/0 188 Running
8 21 12 Ryan Newman Dodge Alltel 147/5 188 Running
9 41 07 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet DIRECTV 138/0 188 Running
10 9 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet AMP Energy / National Guard 139/5 188 Running




Standings
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1 -- Jeff Burton 1347 Leader 9 0 1 3 6
2 -- Kyle Busch 1325 -22 9 1 2 5 6
3 -- Dale Earnhardt Jr. 1268 -79 9 1 0 3 7
4 +2 Denny Hamlin 1248 -99 9 0 1 4 6
5 -1 Jimmie Johnson 1245 -102 9 1 1 4 4
6 -1 Kevin Harvick 1208 -139 9 0 0 2 4
7 +1 Clint Bowyer 1182 -165 9 0 0 2 6
8 +2 Greg Biffle 1148 -199 9 0 0 3 5
9 -2 Tony Stewart 1137 -210 9 0 0 3 5
10 -1 Carl Edwards 1084 -263 9 0 3 4 5
11 +1 Ryan Newman 1062 -285 9 1 1 2 4
12 +5 Juan Montoya 1029 -318 9 0 0 1 1

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I still don't like him... he's involved in too many wrecks... just today, he was involved in the Menard spin across the front straight away and one other big wreck that I can't remember... both involved someone coming down across his front bumper and spinning..

I know, I know... those probably weren't much of his fault, it just seems like he's in th e middle of so many wrecks.....
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I still don't like him... he's involved in too many wrecks... just today, he was involved in the Menard spin across the front straight away and one other big wreck that I can't remember... both involved someone coming down across his front bumper and spinning..

I know, I know... those probably weren't much of his fault, it just seems like he's in th e middle of so many wrecks.....
But I guess you overlook the Big One that happened in the closing laps when Tony Stewart got into Dale Earnhardt Jr. which sends Bobby Labonte spinning into several cars. The others involved include Jamie McMurray, Martin Truex Jr., Kurt Busch, and Stewart as well.

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No, I didn't overlook that (even though that was more of a case of 20 cars all trying to get into the same space, not really anyone's fault in particular). Every driver causes wrecks now and then... my beef with Juan is that he seems to be in a much higher percentage of wrecks than other drivers and more often they are his fault (though, like I said I'm not sure if any were this weekend, he was just involved, not at fault). He's been better the start of this year, last year he had many races where I was just screaming at him as he took out one good driver after another...
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No, I didn't overlook that (even though that was more of a case of 20 cars all trying to get into the same space, not really anyone's fault in particular). Every driver causes wrecks now and then... my beef with Juan is that he seems to be in a much higher percentage of wrecks than other drivers and more often they are his fault (though, like I said I'm not sure if any were this weekend, he was just involved, not at fault). He's been better the start of this year, last year he had many races where I was just screaming at him as he took out one good driver after another...
If you watch the video on YouTube called "2008 Aaron's 499 The Big One", you will clearly see Stewart trying to "force his way between the 43 and 88". Those where the words from one of the FOX Boradcasters. So it's pretty obvious Stewart put his car where there wasn't enough room which caused the wreck. You claiming that Juan "seems" to be causing a "higher percentage of wrecks than other drivers" is a biased view which the 2007 NASCAR crash data contradicts. There where 22 drivers listed under "Crashes by driver" with 10 incidents or more, Juan had 11 incidents. As a side note, Juan was a Rookie while notable Veteran drivers listed with 10 or more "Crashes by driver" are 1. Elliot Sadler, Ryan Newman, Kasey Kahne, Dale Earnhardt Jr., Tony Stewart, Casey Mears, Bobby Labonte, Kyle Busch, Greg Biffle, Martin Truex Jr. etc... Are you an equal opportunity screamer or do you only scream at Montoya when he is involved in a wreck?
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