We watching the same replay? Stremme went straight, Kahne (a lap down Kahne I might add) came up into him? Where would you like Stremme to go? Those walls have a tendency to make a car not run so well
I totally agree with you on this one mike, Kasey Kahne comes up and cuts into Stremme. Leaving Stremme no where to go and nothing to do but to hit Kahne, who cut up in front of him. Stremme doesn't appear to hit the wall and come down on Kahne, Kahne goes up and clips the front of David Stemme's car with the rear quarter panel of his car. Kasey was a lap down and I don't know it he had mechanical problems that made the car go up and in front of Stremme, or if his spotter had cleared him, but he definitely goes up and leaves Stemme no where to go.
That's a shame too, because Stemme was a top 10 car until Kasey Kahne got into him! Rewatch the tape again and you will see that Stremme is moving much faster than Kahne was at the time! But hey, that's racin'!
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We watching the same replay? Stremme went straight, Kahne (a lap down Kahne I might add) came up into him? Where would you like Stremme to go? Those walls have a tendency to make a car not run so well
yeah have you listened to kasey side of it he said stremme was holding everyone up and he was around him kasey was going straight stremme drove it in the fence
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yeah have you listened to kasey side of it he said stremme was holding everyone up and he was around him kasey was going straight stremme drove it in the fence
Ok, may not be the place for this, but physics lesson time...
#1. Kahne was around him. Obviously not, thus the spinning and crashing that took place. Around him implies that they were not trying to occupy the same space at the same time. Regardless of the whole who hit who thing, obviously Kahne was not "around him" as there would have been no spinning and crashing if he had been. So in answer to that part, Kahne needs to go faster or stop whining.
#2. If Kahne was even mostly around him, and Stremme hit the wall, then laws of physics would say Kahne should have been long past him when he came back down. 2 cars going roughly the same speed, or as you say Kahne faster, and 1 meets wall and slows down by roughly 15 - 20 MPH. This means that Kahne really should have been "around him", but he wasn't. Again, thus the spinning and crashing. So if Stremme did hit the wall, it was before Kahne started the pass, thus not Stremme's fault.
If I can save the video and host it somewhere I will enlarge and frame by frame the wreck. There is no puff of smoke from the outside of Stremme's car until after Kahne puts him into the wall. So here's the deal. If anyone should be pissed off, it's Stremme's whole 4 or 5 fans. They are the ones that lost out of a top 10 finish. Kahne fans just need to suck it up. This is a rough year for all Dodge, your boy was an exception last year. Welcome to reality.
Ok, may not be the place for this, but physics lesson time...
#1. Kahne was around him. Obviously not, thus the spinning and crashing that took place. Around him implies that they were not trying to occupy the same space at the same time. Regardless of the whole who hit who thing, obviously Kahne was not "around him" as there would have been no spinning and crashing if he had been. So in answer to that part, Kahne needs to go faster or stop whining.
#2. If Kahne was even mostly around him, and Stremme hit the wall, then laws of physics would say Kahne should have been long past him when he came back down. 2 cars going roughly the same speed, or as you say Kahne faster, and 1 meets wall and slows down by roughly 15 - 20 MPH. This means that Kahne really should have been "around him", but he wasn't. Again, thus the spinning and crashing. So if Stremme did hit the wall, it was before Kahne started the pass, thus not Stremme's fault.
If I can save the video and host it somewhere I will enlarge and frame by frame the wreck. There is no puff of smoke from the outside of Stremme's car until after Kahne puts him into the wall. So here's the deal. If anyone should be pissed off, it's Stremme's whole 4 or 5 fans. They are the ones that lost out of a top 10 finish. Kahne fans just need to suck it up. This is a rough year for all Dodge, your boy was an exception last year. Welcome to reality.
ok 1 there was no spinning kasey was just a little in front of stremme he came down and turned kasey into the wall and no caution and i would like to see it fram by fram to show how wrong you are
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I will go along with most of the equipment failures not being his fault, but for all the Stremme haters out there who said that he (stremme) wrecked your boy, you might wanna watch the replay. Your boy basically gave Stremme the option of "You can hit the wall, hit me, or stop." Now I don't know about you guys, but if I were a race team owner and my driver was stopping every time that someone moved towards him... Not so much...
Any team that lets go of a driver like Kahne is ALMOST as ignorant as DEI letting go of the only DE it has. Me thinks they need to explore some issues in their garage area, and R&D section before they look at the drivers.
Plus I might feel different if Sadler and Riggs were competitive every race a Kahne wasn't, but since Riggs is 37th, Kahne 30th, and Sadler an impressive (for Evernham at least) 17th, me thinks that anyone talking about ditching any driver needs to go back to watching curling. Its a sport more your speed.
If anyone has been listening the pass week, Evernham, Scott, Elloitt and Kasey have all been saying the same thing. They have tested with three different setups on the three cars at the same time, its made no difference all three have mirrowed the same results even with different setups. Makes no sense to them either. Its not like they arn't trying, they just can't find the sweet spot for the new nose and on top of that the are working on the COT. I don't understand why they don't just go back to 2006 nose since they probably will not be using the present car next year. Then they could put all their efforts to the COT. The only other teams that are dealing with muti car problems are the Toyola. To the Crankers out there, They will get the cars running good again. GO EMS
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Last edited by WV-KahneFan : 05-22-2007 at 12:45 PM.
If anyone has been listening the pass week, Evernham, Scott, Elloitt and Kasey have all been saying the same thing. They have tested with three different setups on the three cars at the same time, its made no difference all three have mirrowed the same results even with different setups. Makes no sense to them either. Its not like they arn't trying, they just can't find the sweet spot for the new nose and on top of that the are working on the COT. I don't understand why they don't just go back to 2006 nose since they probably will not be using the present car next year. Then they could put all their efforts to the COT. The only other teams that are dealing with muti car problems are the Toyola. To the Crankers out there, They will get the cars running good again. GO EMS
Hey WV, it is always so good to see you here, please do come and visit us more often!
As for as Dodge going back to the nose of last year, it just ain't gonna happen! When Dodge changed the Charger they got Nascar's approval for the new front end, then Nascar changed the spoiler but refused to let Dodge make any further changes to the Charger and consequently the car was off balance. EMS came up with a way around this imbalance by using coil binding. Coil binding has always been a "grey" area in Nascar. It has been used extensively by HMS. Last year all the Dodge's except Kasey Kahne struggled will the ill handling Charger. Roger Penske refused to even let his teams experiment with coil binding because it was his personal belief that it was a form of cheating. As a result neither of the Penske cars made the chase and they had both always done so in the past!
Now that they have changed the front end of the Charger and brought balance back to the cars, all the Dodge teams except EMS are doing much better. EMS needs to look at what the other Dodge teams are doing and maybe give up the coil binding.
I really do hope that EMS gets a handle on the cars soon, they are a first rate team with first rate drivers.
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Well Mrsmopar you have a better understanding then I was aware of I personaly hate the coil binding junk and body tweaking aero thats come about the past several years. Thats the main reason I have completely embraced the arrival of the COT car.Thank goodness we,ll soon be back to talking wedge, stagger, anti squat,track bar angle, roll center,caster & camber gain, instantaneous center,constant verses progressive spring rates, sway bar materials and diameters and of course my favorite multiple rate shock valveing with variable gas pressures OMG I almost forgot about the rear steer verses front steer debate !!!
WOOOOHOOOO I feel like Paul Newman in The Color of Money when he said " I,M BAAAACK "
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Any team that lets go of a driver like Kahne is ALMOST as ignorant as DEI letting go of the only DE it has. Me thinks they need to explore some issues in their garage area, and R&D section before they look at the drivers. 
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