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Old 08-16-2008, 10:32 PM
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What baffles me is that HMS had this COT seemingly figured out last year and this year well you see for yourselves. Yes, they are in top 10 in points, but they have not performed well imo.

I,ve been looking at that very closely also and a couple things have come up.
First Goodyear changed the construction of their tires for some tracks in the middle of last season and it has affected alot of the teams that did not get to test at these tracks Bristol, Martinsville, Richmond for some reason it seems to have effected HMS more.
Maybe HMS put some flawed info into their set ups and didnt realize it until the effects are what we see now? Remember how the Everham cars got all messed up because of this same thing last year.

Maybe HMS thinking it had its act together didnt put forth the extra effort......naaah not likely.
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I wonder if them using Hoosier Tires during there secret tests with the COT last year had something to do with it.Just a thought.
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I wonder if them using Hoosier Tires during there secret tests with the COT last year had something to do with it.Just a thought.
Could you show me where you found out this happened Mike?


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JGR was just hammered for trying to falsify data. Should NASCAR slow the Toyotas down? What do you think of JGR now?

I'm of the opinion that if one team has a horsepower advantage it should be left alone. Let the other teams catch up, don't punish a fast team. I don't necessarily agree with what JGR did, but NASCAR should leave it alone until the end of the year. If all of the Toyota teams were found to have an advantage then fine, after the season you slow them down. If it's just JGR too bad everyone else.
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Could you show me where you found out this happened Mike?
I,ll help ya out there Mikey:

NASCAR might relax testing policy
JENNA FRYER
The Associated Press
Thursday, May. 31, 2007
NASCAR is considering opening up its restrictive testing policy, which several teams already have skirted this season.

Currently, rules limit teams to seven tests on Nextel Cup-sanctioned tracks, and crew chiefs help NASCAR decide the venues and dates. NASCAR adopted that policy two years ago to help underfunded teams keep up with big-budget organizations, who could afford to test anytime.

But as the car of tomorrow was rolled into competition, the top teams found ways to test it outside of the rules.

“It appears that we’ve got teams that want to test more and teams that want to test less, and teams that test on tires that are not made by our tire supplier,” Robin Pemberton, NASCAR vice president of competition, told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

“So we’re going to start looking at a lot of different things, from eventually lifting the test ban completely, or get as restrictive as we cannot let teams test anywhere at any time, or land somewhere in between.”

NASCAR most likely will relax the restrictions, because it’s having a hard time policing teams. More than 20 teams tested Tuesday and Wednesday at Virginia International Raceway, a road course where they could simulate the June 24 race in Sonoma, Calif.

Because VIR is not a sanctioned track, any team can go there and still be within NASCAR’s guidelines. But teams can’t use current Goodyear tires because of a leasing agreement intended to prevent extracurricular testing. To circumvent the lack of available tires, teams have started using other manufacturers for test sessions. They also snapped up much of Goodyear’s inventory from 2005 and earlier.

Goodyear officials declined a request from The Associated Press for comment Wednesday, and NASCAR said the teams have not technically broken the rules.

Hendrick Motorsports, winners of nine of the first 12 races this season, is believed to have lapped the field in testing this year. Team officials said they’ve used a variety of test drivers about 30 times this year, and rival car owner Jack Roush said that’s unfair.

He said his own five-car team is behind the competition, because he didn’t purchase tires from Hoosier or B.F. Goodrich for tests.

“The teams that have been successful ... they’ve gone to tracks outside NASCAR’s control with tires that were not from Goodyear,” Roush said.

“Right now, Goodyear is sitting on millions of dollars worth of tires that are growing obsolete and hard in their warehouses. Teams have gotten around NASCAR’s policy by buying other people’s tires and testing at tracks that aren’t on the Nextel Cup schedule.

“I got behind on that. I didn’t do that.”

But using tires other than what Goodyear provides on race day is a crapshoot, many crew chiefs said.

“Relaxing the testing policy only makes sense if we can use current Goodyears,” said Mike Ford, crew chief for Denny Hamlin. “You can really end up going pretty far down the wrong road that way, but you have no choice because everyone is doing it.”

Hamlin tested at VIR on “some really old Goodyears,” but Ford said it was only the second time this season the No. 11 team has gone outside a NASCAR-sanctioned test. Joe Gibbs Racing’s research and development team has tested cars at various times independent of Hamlin’s team this year.

Ford said he believes NASCAR’s prohibitive policy created the testing problems.

“They are forcing teams to spend money with other tire manufacturers instead of with Goodyear, the company NASCAR supports,” he said. “One way or the other, everybody is going to test.”
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JGR was just hammered for trying to falsify data. Should NASCAR slow the Toyotas down? What do you think of JGR now?

I'm of the opinion that if one team has a horsepower advantage it should be left alone. Let the other teams catch up, don't punish a fast team. I don't necessarily agree with what JGR did, but NASCAR should leave it alone until the end of the year. If all of the Toyota teams were found to have an advantage then fine, after the season you slow them down. If it's just JGR too bad everyone else.
NASCAR never stepped in and slowed Richard Petty down the year hge won 26 times
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NASCAR might relax testing policy
JENNA FRYER
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Thursday, May. 31, 2007
NASCAR is considering opening up its restrictive testing policy, which several teams already have skirted this season.

Currently, rules limit teams to seven tests on Nextel Cup-sanctioned tracks, and crew chiefs help NASCAR decide the venues and dates. NASCAR adopted that policy two years ago to help underfunded teams keep up with big-budget organizations, who could afford to test anytime.

But as the car of tomorrow was rolled into competition, the top teams found ways to test it outside of the rules.

“It appears that we’ve got teams that want to test more and teams that want to test less, and teams that test on tires that are not made by our tire supplier,” Robin Pemberton, NASCAR vice president of competition, told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

“So we’re going to start looking at a lot of different things, from eventually lifting the test ban completely, or get as restrictive as we cannot let teams test anywhere at any time, or land somewhere in between.”

NASCAR most likely will relax the restrictions, because it’s having a hard time policing teams. More than 20 teams tested Tuesday and Wednesday at Virginia International Raceway, a road course where they could simulate the June 24 race in Sonoma, Calif.

Because VIR is not a sanctioned track, any team can go there and still be within NASCAR’s guidelines. But teams can’t use current Goodyear tires because of a leasing agreement intended to prevent extracurricular testing. To circumvent the lack of available tires, teams have started using other manufacturers for test sessions. They also snapped up much of Goodyear’s inventory from 2005 and earlier.

Goodyear officials declined a request from The Associated Press for comment Wednesday, and NASCAR said the teams have not technically broken the rules.

Hendrick Motorsports, winners of nine of the first 12 races this season, is believed to have lapped the field in testing this year. Team officials said they’ve used a variety of test drivers about 30 times this year, and rival car owner Jack Roush said that’s unfair.

He said his own five-car team is behind the competition, because he didn’t purchase tires from Hoosier or B.F. Goodrich for tests.

“The teams that have been successful ... they’ve gone to tracks outside NASCAR’s control with tires that were not from Goodyear,” Roush said.

“Right now, Goodyear is sitting on millions of dollars worth of tires that are growing obsolete and hard in their warehouses. Teams have gotten around NASCAR’s policy by buying other people’s tires and testing at tracks that aren’t on the Nextel Cup schedule.

“I got behind on that. I didn’t do that.”

But using tires other than what Goodyear provides on race day is a crapshoot, many crew chiefs said.

“Relaxing the testing policy only makes sense if we can use current Goodyears,” said Mike Ford, crew chief for Denny Hamlin. “You can really end up going pretty far down the wrong road that way, but you have no choice because everyone is doing it.”

Hamlin tested at VIR on “some really old Goodyears,” but Ford said it was only the second time this season the No. 11 team has gone outside a NASCAR-sanctioned test. Joe Gibbs Racing’s research and development team has tested cars at various times independent of Hamlin’s team this year.

Ford said he believes NASCAR’s prohibitive policy created the testing problems.

“They are forcing teams to spend money with other tire manufacturers instead of with Goodyear, the company NASCAR supports,” he said. “One way or the other, everybody is going to test.”

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JGR was just hammered for trying to falsify data. Should NASCAR slow the Toyotas down? What do you think of JGR now?

I'm of the opinion that if one team has a horsepower advantage it should be left alone. Let the other teams catch up, don't punish a fast team. I don't necessarily agree with what JGR did, but NASCAR should leave it alone until the end of the year. If all of the Toyota teams were found to have an advantage then fine, after the season you slow them down. If it's just JGR too bad everyone else.
Yeah, the whole thing is ridiculous.... The approach from Nascar should have been to let the other teams catch up by updating their engine packages. Punishing the Toyotas for being better than the competition is absurd. What a disgrace for Nascar to do the 180 degree wrong thing on this problem....
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