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Originally Posted by ShimSham
You want to talk about being all pro-American and then put down Toyota because of their "slave labor" ?
1. It's not slave labor. Quit calling it that.
2. Do you know how Ford became so big? I do.
You might want to buy into the fact that good ole American Henry Ford built a company of hard workers from the ground up and he was a great man that pioneered the use of the assembly line in order to make his product better, and that he was just an American hero.
Partially true.
Want to know how Ford really blew up and became a huge, huge company though? It's worse than what I personally hear people claim Toyota does.
In the 1920s when Ford was booming, they had some of the worst possible working conditions. This is how he was able to keep his product so cheap, and how he was able to stay cheaper than his competitors.
1. Workers couldn't leave their station for any reason except during pre approved times.
2. Workers couldn't talk to each other
3. Workers couldn't whistle
4. Workers couldn't complain.
5. By the mid 1920s workers were paid far, far below average for their jobs
6. Workers were fired if they didn't work fast enough. Pace was set very high.
7. Workers were fired around the age of 40-45. This actually caused a rise in the sale of hair dye.
8. The bathrooms were rigged with mics to find any evidence of unionizing. Those suspected of it were fired.
9. Ford employed spies to seek out unionizers and complainers.
10. Workers were overworked and underpaid.
11. Were not given raises in accordance with the rising cost of living in the 1910s and 1920s.
All of these things allowed him to run a business where they were pumping out thousands and thousands of very cheap automobiles for "the common man." Competitors couldn't keep up. Even as he profited, he never rewarded his employees.
On top of that, Henry Ford was a raging anti-Semite. This guy hated Jews so much, that he created a newspaper, and often used that newspaper to write and publish articles about how the Jewish are to blame for all the problems in society.
Hitler even had pictures of Ford in his office and used Ford's writings as inspiration for some of his infamous speeches.
I realize that Henry Ford isn't currently running the company and that things aren't exactly like that now.
But that is exactly how Ford became the household name it is today.
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A lot of people back in those days were biggots to a degree or some, jews are not a race, it is a religion, most jews in Europe are just that .. some people wanted to put a face on them.
no matter, just because someone doesn't liek a religion of people doesn't make thenm racist, alot of people don't like budists or muslums, all muslums for the most part hate christians... yet we don't call them racists.
I know hitler admired him... I've seen the documentries on forrd, and read about those guys, even Walter P Chrylser.
Most places back then had harsh working conditions, .. my great grandfather died at 51, his wife 49 from coal dust, they didn't just lose thier jobs, but thier lives.... back in 1932-33
Thats is the whole point, we here in the USA weated blood and tear, though "playing Hank Aron on some skullbone" in the union riots and labor rights. it was a hard road to overcome.
So you prove my point, after all this work to get employment rights, Toyota comes in here to the USA with the other slave labor japanese companies and has an easy ride... because they have no histoty of union contracts, or have to pay high wages to make the parts like we do here in the USA...
it's only a matter of time before China with thier high tch puts forth an effort to make a high quality car, it will put toyotas and the rest banklrupt.. China has the Tech to make a quality car, and they have worse slave labor sweatshops than japan... no one could compete with them, selling car just as good or about as good for less than 1/2 the cost of the same qulity Toyota or 1/3 the cost ofthe same quality GM..
You forgot that Ford also made the workers work horendious hours also.. like 16-20 hour days.. do it or get fired..
I never said the rich bigshots were my heros.. the people I'm talking about... some becaue hero's Washington, Jefferson, Lincon, Ted Rosivelt etc.. the last of the tough guy presidents, most of them were hard working, champion wrestlers,new what being poor was about unlike the always rich pencel neck polititions of today.
I apologige for getting off the subject of nascar to everyone...
it just makes me sick to see toyota do this to the big 3 while they are stuggling with benifts, wages, lost jobs to overseass sales etc... it happens in business, but I don't think we should have to see it in Nascar.. we all know it's about toyota trying to finish off any one or all of the buig3. I think it's sick to see in a sport.
I'm sad to see it..
yet they'll still lose the races.
scotty
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