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Old 04-17-2007, 11:03 PM
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Angry Does this make any of you as angry as it makes me?

The below posted article was written and this suggestion made a couple of weekends ago while the NEXTEL Cup Series was taking the weekend off. I am angered for many reasons. Primarily, because I am a NASCAR fan. I am NOT a fan of their form of racing, not in the least bit. I realize I am a good bit older than most around here, such being the case, my history with the sport goes back a good bit farther, not bragging about that, just lucky enough to have been born to parents that were racing fans and following NASCAR while it was in it's early days, so I got to attend a lot of the races back in the day and got to see a lot of the history of NASCAR unfold before my eyes.

Being from the South, and PROUD of it, I was (and still am) always annoyed by fans, drivers, owners and teams of first, the AAA, then USAC, (the old USAC back in the old days, today it is a completely different organization with regards to it's attitude toward NASCAR and NASCAR fans) then cart and finally this thing called irl. I lived through countless years of being told by fans, drivers, team owners, etc of that form of racing that NASCAR drivers were inferior, that we (NASCAR fans) were/are not "real" race fans, that stock cars are not "real" race cars and that what we love, stock car racing, is not "real" racing! I also have for years been sick and tired of the insults and personal attacks thrown at NASCAR fans, being called stupid, dumb, uneducated, ignorant, inbred, trailer park trash and a lot worse. I also have gotten sick of the names that they're constantly deriviously calling NASCAR racing, equipment and the organization itself, such as NASCrap, taxicabs, taxi cab racing, NASCab and other such denigrating garbage. To put it mildly, I have grown to HATE their form of racing and many of them, i.e. open-wheel fans as well! As I got older and began to travel (due to being in the armed forces) throughout the country, I ran into more of them. I had, had exposure to them previously at Daytona and other race tracks, where they openly insulted NASCAR, my home (the South) and everything else in general. On three seperate occasion, I had open-wheel jerks take a swing at me for the sole reason that I was a NASCAR fan and did not agree with their B/S open-wheel superiority, not a wise thing to do on their parts, as during the time that each incident happened, I was an active duty Marine and they wound up being used as something to swab the decks with!

These same arrogant, hateful individuals have basically destroyed their sport, through their hatred of each other, split it into two seperate camps that hate each other with an intensity that is only surpassed by their hatred of NASCAR. They blame NASCAR for the problems that they, themselves caused their sport. I have not ever bought the absolute nonsense about their race in May being the biggest/greatest thing in all of motorsports. I grew up during the 50s, and 60s and where I'm from, it was not even a blip on the radar screen. It meant nothing to us back then and still means nothing to us today! NASCAR has always and will always rule here in the South. Yet, every time, whether on the net, or in person, when we were/are trying to discuss NASCAR, these same arrogant, assinine Indy fans would attempt to shout us down with their constant bleeting of "INDY, INDY, INDY" "It's all about Indy". NO it is NOT "all about Indy" it was not back then, is not now and will not every be "all about Indy", in fact it is about everything else but Indy!

That form of racing has not ever done anything for NASCAR or for NASCAR fans. They have tried to kill off NASCAR, the owner of that track, back in the 50s, threw Bill France Sr off the property of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway for the crime of asking if a NASCAR race could be run there. I take great pleasure in the fact that now, NASCAR not only races at that track, but has forced the owners of it to place an artificial cap, ceiling on the number of NASCAR fans allowed to buy tickets to the Brickyard 400, so that it can't draw more fans than their race and I also love the fact that their big race and series are in a "death spiral"! "Big Bill" France has to be looking down from up in Heaven and smiling over this one, sweet poetic justice!

It's bad enough that this lame excuse of a racing series is a leech/parasite on NASCAR fans at the tracks at Chicagoland and Kansas City. NASCAR fans should not be forced to buy tickets to this series races/prop-up this series as they have to at these two tracks, because the only way you can purchase NASCAR tickets at these two tracks is to have to purchase their tickets as well. Tickets to seperate events are not sold at either place! Therefore, unless someone either sells me a NASCAR ticket, or give me one to the races at either track, I will not ever attend a race at either track, barring a change in their policy of holding NASCAR tickets hostage through forced purchase of those other series tickets!

Now this Barnes jerk want to force their entire racing schedule down the throats of NASCAR fans! Wants to replace the Busch Series and/or Craftsman Truck Series, or ARCA Series Saturday races at NASCAR tracks with the races of his lame excuse of a racing series! The problem is this, the above mentioned tracks, Chicagoland and Kansas City cannot sell enough tickets for those two races to make a profit, so in order to do so, they have had to resort to forcing NASCAR fans to buy these tickets to races that they do not care for and have no desire to attend! Proof that they don't want these ticket is the fact that many wind up in the dumpsters or on the ground at these tracks or attempting to be sold on ebay and other similar venues, where they can't even get face value for them! If this stupid plan were ever to be enacted, after the first race or two, when they don't draw flies passes, they will go to the forced ticket buy policies in practice at Kansas City and Chicagoland as that is the only way that they can avoid losing money on these lame races! Tickets are expensive enough as it is, without being forced to buy tickets to races of a form or racing that is largely rejected by NASCAR fans!

Plain and simple fact, this individual, Barnes, and the rest of that series do not have the interest of NASCAR fans as their primary goal. The only thing thing that they hope to benefit is their own form of racing! They have not ever don't anything to help NASCAR or NASCAR fans and do not ever intend too! Notice the arrogance, that I mentioned above, coming from this jerk,
"I just want to get in front of their fans and show them what real racing is all about." Or in other words, as mentioned above, "Your racing isn't "real" racing." "What you watch for racing sucks, you need to watch ours!" I don't appreciate the way this arrogant individual looks down his nose at us (NASCAR and NASCAR fans). He wants to shove his form of racing and races down our throats, IMO, he can take his form or racing, his racing series and his races and shove it somewhere else!

My feeling, personally, is that every true NASCAR fan needs to write or email this individual and tell him "NO, we do not want your races and form of racing replacing the Saturday Busch Series and/or Craftsman Truck Series or ARCA races." "You need to go find your own fans and stop trying to shove your racing series and it's races down our throats!" I have a link where emails can be sent, if anyone else feels like I do and wants to experss it, let me kinow and I will provide the link to you. Sorry for the rant, but this really just does not sit well with me. Have a great evening everyone. Here is the article:


Owner Wants Indy-NASCAR Event

ST. PETERSBURG - One of the Indy Racing League's longtime team owners is pushing the idea of IRL-NASCAR Nextel Cup combined events.

John Barnes, an owner and the general manager of Panther Racing, thinks that even if the IRL event was positioned as a support race, Indy-style racing would benefit.

"We would make it where we would race on Saturday to replace a Busch or ARCA race, and they would race on Sunday," he said. "I have no problem being second fiddle to them, I just want to get in front of their fans and show them what real racing is all about."

Terry Angstadt, the IRL's new president of its commercial division, said the IRL would not allow itself to be presented as a support race.

"We would love to make our series better, and we will open the thought waves of doing that," he said. "But at the same time, I think we are a tier one series, and certainly it would be hard to argue that the Indianapolis 500 is not a cornerstone event, if not the premier motor sports event in the world."

Barnes believes running IRL and Nextel Cup races together would open the door to NASCAR drivers running some Indy car races. That seems a long shot, though, since NASCAR team owners often have a say in what other forms of racing their drivers participate in.

It also seems unlikely that NASCAR would be interested in such a combined event since it already runs either a Busch series or Craftsman Truck race or both in conjunction with most Nextel Cup events.
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Old 04-18-2007, 12:06 AM
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Wow, R. Lee, I had no idea this was happening! Yes it does make me mad too! Please do post that link here in this thread so I, and everyone else who reads this and gets mad can tell them so!

Thanks for the excellent post and the information.
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Old 04-18-2007, 12:37 AM
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Old 04-18-2007, 12:41 AM
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applause R Lee.... could not have said it better... The lame track owner... the Georges.. think they run indiana... rose hulman university ... etc... I have lots of family in that area... an aunt that was friends with the unsers and that aj foyt guys mother... lol My dad .... worked for the company that made the tires for the irl boys... now I work for them.... but I still have nothing but contempt for indy.. it started when they decided to offer nascar tickets only to the indy ticket holders first... then what was left was gonna be offered up for us nascar fans.... Chicagoland is just under 2 hrs away... and the main reason I have not gone there is due to their method of selling tickets.... I don't want irl and arca tickets... I want cup and busch only!!!!!... I have been to Gateway near St Louis 3 times... two busch races and a truck race.... I would rather go some where we are more wanted, not just our dollars!.... wonder what will happen when all their drivers are suited up for our style of racin... and they have no one left? they cannot even pull off a F1 race there... and as far as "NASCAB" we have a taxi company in town with that name!! cars are regular cabs... but have big numbers like the nascar boys....
Them INDIANA peeps ain't right! lol
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:55 PM
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Thank you everyone, for your replies. Here is the link where this Barnes individual can be contacted by email:

http://www.pantherracing.com/compone...act/Itemid,35/

I'm not sure under which select contact, the "Mike Kitchel - Public Relations/Website" or the "Panther Racing LLC" would be more approprite to send your thoughts about/objections too this idea to, but in the message section, I would place at the top, "To the attention of John Barnes." I would think that, that or at least word of it would reach him. Whether or not it does, if enough NASCAR fans write to voice their displeasure over his idea, word will get to him, whether or not he wishes to ignore it.

In writing to him, be tactful. do not show uncontrolled anger, rant or curse. Simply send a firm, very strong, well worded (and written) message to him voicing your objection to his plan/idea. Explain to him that we are NASCAR fans, and like having the NASCAR Busch Series and/or NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series and ARCA Series running in support of the NEXTEL Cup Series races like it is presently done. Let him know, in no uncertain terms, that we are NOT Irl fans or fans of his form of racing, that we DO NOT want the races of his racing series/form of racing replacing Busch, Craftsman Truck or ARCA Series races that presently run as the support series for the NEXTEL Cup races and that if his series does replace the NASCAR/ARCA races, that we will not attend his races! Also, mention to him that you DO NOT appreciate his arrogant comment about his wanting "to show NASCAR fans what "real" racing is"! Explain to him that, that is insulting not only to us as NASCAR fans, but to the NASCAR drivers, teams, officials as well, suggesting/implying that NASCAR racing is not "real" racing and that we do not appreciate this comment at all!

Second, if any of you are members of/post on other NASCAR forums, go to those forums and post the article that I put in my first post in this thread. Show them Barnes' plan and point out his comments. Make them aware of what he wants to do to our race weekends, i.e. replace what we like, Busch, Trucks with his racing series' races, in other words, shove it down out throats. Show them his arrogance. Post the link I have provided and have them voice their dislike/objections to him as well.

Finally, tell every NASCAR fan that you know about this, give them the link to his site and have them send their dislike/objections to him too.

The important thing is to get the word out to everyone! Flood him with objections to his plan, let him know that we do not want what he's trying to force on us. Make this a call to action for all NASCAR fans!

Thank you, in advance, for helping with this. Everyone have a great day.

R.Lee
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Old 07-26-2007, 09:28 PM
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the man is obviously a IRL fan, and rightly so, the indy 500 has been going on for how many years now? its his tracks legacy plain and simple. as for his "real racing comment" my geuss is all the nascar guys would be saying the same thing if the IRL showed up at Darlington or Bristol. I dont see the need for anyone to get thier panties in a bunch, its a typical IRL comment from an IRL fan. i say let them do a IRL/NASCAR weekend and let them see which one tanks. I'm a motorsports fan from Cross Country ATV racing to Formula 1, so it dose'nt matter to me, chances are, i'd watch both
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Old 07-26-2007, 10:10 PM
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this is just retarded!!! I mean we don't force our sport down their througts yet they have to force it down ours??? I don't get it!!! and also if nascar wasn't a real sport then why do we race more and have more attendence and viewers then the other series of racing!!! Also no indy/nascar weekend, i mean we like nascar/nascar weekends.. we don't watch their races and don't plan on it!! I mean on off weekends, I have tried to watch their races but it just isn't interesting!!! I mean they don't even let the busch series at indy!!! They have to go to a track an hour or so away from indy!!! that's retarded!!!!
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Old 07-27-2007, 07:35 AM
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what do you guys think of the NASCAR/Rolex Sports Car series weekends? personaly, i wouldnt have really known the rolex series exisited but a few nascar drivers (montoya, and stremme won the 24 hr. race with gannasi team mate/regular rolex driver scot pruett) race them when the series are together. thanks to a mixxed weekend, i found another series i can enjoy
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if nascar isnt a sport, then why is it the top SPORT in USA?
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Thanks for this great artical I understand just what your saying and how your feeling I have really no interest in IRL, don't watch it and never will, I purchase trackpack tickets for Chicagoland for the past 8 years you have to purchase them in October which I don't mind but I don't like that I have to get the pack which I can't use the September tickets the first 2 years I to just threw them away until I found someone to share the pack with me, and it does work out but he is more of a nascar fan and he now wants to attened the July races, So I'm back to probly trashing the tickets, and at 200.00 or more bucks thats alot of money to put in the trash, and another thing you purchace a pit pass at 75.00 bucks all your getting is a walk down the fence to look in like a caged animal, You can do that for 10 bucks at other tracks, and were other tracks let you in on pit road and in the pit boxes, it's all about the cash there. I have no interest in IRL so don't make me purchase something I wont use, make your IRL fans get out there and find themselves there own fans to come watch your races don't force me to, or the others that purchace tickets. I'm a nascar fan not an IRL fan so don't force me to watch it.
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