Ok, I am surprised this isn't posted here somewhere, but does everyone here think that the suspensions that were handed out this week were enough. To take it one step farther, do you think the suspension from last years Daytona 500 was harsh enough for the "crime"?

Personally I say no. IMO, Waltrip should not be allowed to race in the 500, and the suspensions for Khane and Kenseth are not steep enough if the stuff that was found can be found to be intentional violations. And for last years race I think the violation by Johnson should have prevented him from being in the 500.

Before you tell me I'm wrong, hear me out. As a driver that is about to get into that car and risk my life on the track I think I would want to know everything that was done to my car, period. Anything that you put on the car to change the shape of the back window to change the shape of it should be blatently obvious to even a driver who knows nothing about cars, but Johnson didn't tell NASCAR about it, they had to find it.

Waltrip should have been able to tell that he had more power than he had before. Why didn't he go to NASCAR and say, "Hey, somethings not right here" but he didn't. He shouldn't be allowed to race.

Khane and Kenseth are a slightly different story, since they say that it was a vibration that caused the cap to come off. If that's the case, where is the cap? Did it fall out of the engine compartment? If it did, why didn't all the spotters that are paid to spot debris on the track see it? If it did come off, was it intentionally set to come off? If NASCAR says yes, then both of them should be out.

Stiffer penalties will make crews and owners think twice about turning the Speedweeks into a circus. Stop suspending the crew chief, suspend the whole team. Make them fear getting caught. Taking a 50 point hit for a minor infraction, or a 100 point hit for a major violation like Waltrip's or Johnson's is crap. Loss of points and a loss of the race...

And I am not saying list them as 43rd or anything like that. I am saying list them as did not compete. 0 points.

Ok, tell me what you think

I agree. If you blatantly cheat, your out. Why are they taking away points when there aren't any points to take away in the first place??

Smoke, the points are taken away from the points that will be earned during the 500. So technically the MWR team is starting at -100. So if Mike Waltrip finishes the 500 in 21st and doesnt lead a single lap he will be at 0.

Now is where I am going to get flamed. Someone explain why Gordon gets away with his "accidental" issue, when last year you had Mark Martin have an obviously broken spring cost him a win?

Nascar has a heritage of pushing the rules. The teams wouldn't call it cheating rather trying to get away with it. After all stock car racing came out of moonshiners getting together and race. They bent the rules back then and its still in their blood. Richard Petty was a master at creating a competetive edge with trick parts. The hard part for NASCAR is to reign in the "creatitivity". Teams with deep pockets and depth of personell can absorb the hit while others can't afford to try. Waltrip had dothing to loose with a new team and toyota $$$ to back him. As fans , do we want this series to be IROC with like prepared cars or let NASCAR do its job. The last thing I want is for $$$ to be the major factor to a teams success. I still love to see a new guy win his first race. Right now the parity in the teams means any one of 10 -15 guys have a real chance to win. I remember when only 4-5 drivers had a real chance to win. Earnhart, Wallace, Ervin, Martin, and Davey Allison had some strong teams in the 90s and won the lions share of races. We'll see if the car of tomorrow will make this sport boring or if the bending of the rules increases. I still say bring your best sh$% to the race and if you get caught then eat the penalty. If anything NASCAR has to guage the penalty to fit the "crime" and the depth of pockets. AS far as gordons uh oh the height of the car was within spec.[as I understand it] but the 1/4 panel dropped 1". In martins case the spring allowed the whole car to sit lower in the wind and give an advantage. Just part of speed weeks as far as I'm concerned and it brings fans from the outside to check it out when it leads the news stories. I even saw the Waltrip story on the drudge report!!

Cheating: creatively interpeting rules for the advancment of your racecar through the feild and to the CHECKERED flag!!! or, Following the letter of the rules.......all the way out to the grey/fuzzie edges.
My favorite, Cheating= Technical Innovation

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The JACK CREW!!!

love it flash....lol but suspending the driver for actions of a crew chief or other crewman ... just cannot see it

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